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This thread is almost a year old. So .... you can be sure loads listed in and SAAMI certified reloading manual will be within safe limits as long as you use the exact components in the chart. The maximum charge weight for this bullet is in the vicinity of 17.0 grains-depending on the source of the data. I have found variances in powder recommendations but never where the minimum for one bullet/powder combo is or exceeds the max for the. … JakeS1922 , I have the Nosler #7 reloading manual plus the Speer #14 and Hornady 10th Ed manuals. Further, just because these low charges appear to be safe (? Hogdon makes it, says it is the same powder, it is the same powder. .357 180gr load data - Unique/H110/Blue Dot? You had just made the broad statement "Remember H110 requires a Magnum primer." If you look at the .357 Magnum load data on the Hodgdon site you will clearly see they use a "Winchester SPM, Small Pistol Magnum" primer. What is a safe load given these discrepancies ? I started using that charge when Winchester first offered 296 to the public and listed a max charge of 16.5 grains, which I found caused sticky extraction. Discussion Starter • #1 • Nov 23, 2010. Different test perimeters (CUP vs PSI). Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! 5 Accurate No. My most-used load these days in a .357 Magnum sixgun is the Lyman #358156GC bullet over 14.0 grains of #2400. I was taught to respect my elders .... problem is, I'm having a hard time finding them.. SWC+GC, 160 gr. Just heard from my buddy that he has a 1978 Dan Wesson. The CCI primer energy chart. I see loads for bullets that haven't even been made for many years. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 2 Accurate No. , a MAGNUM primer or WLP primer is required for H110/W296.. The data in the original post shows one uncharacteristic velocity reading, at 895 fps. I’m just an average shooter here in sunny Southern California. 17.0gr Lil'Gun - CCI-550 primer - AV=1793 fps (that's amazing velocity!). When consulting my Hornady 7th edition. I want to shoot the smallest groups with the least powder. Something interesting: On Hodgdon's online loading data, I selected the .44 Rem Mag cartridge, a bullet weight, and W296 powder. Hodgdon does not recommend you download H110 more than 3% from the Max. I suspect the OP's chrono data is correct and he could easily up the charge. The source of the powder would be liable to a huge degree to make such a claim if it were not fact and data based. I also have used 14.2 to 14.5g of 2400 with good accuracy results, but not as good as H110. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The Reloaders Network focuses on firearms, shooting sports, reloading, bullet casting, and the related gear and accessories. I didn't say there was certainty that H110 & ww296 is the same powder, I said, " I think it is a distinct. ALL 90 gr 110 gr 125 gr 130 gr 135 gr 140 gr 146 gr 147 gr 148 gr 150 gr 158 gr 170 gr 180 gr 187 gr 200 gr. One needs to take into account the built in +/- 3% variance in burn rate from lot to lot of all available canister powders... A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. A.O., most reloaders agree H110/W296 is a hard to ignite ball powder that burns much better when aided by a magnum strength primer. Thanks Arch! This tells me these two powders are indeed slightly different. 19.8 gr. Thanks Bob, I guess that was my point. 03-19-2012, 09:20 PM #2. imashooter2. I always check at least 3 sources (books, websites) for any new loads I'm working with. This is being disclosed in accordance with the Federal Trade Commission’s 16 CFR, Part 255: “Guides Concerning the Use of Endorsements and Testimonials in Advertising.”. I'd be curious to know how old Nosler's data is and if the H110 data was generated at the same time as the ww296 data. [The Montana Gianni] Front sight and squeeze. WC in .32 Magnum. Powders include Hodgdon, IMR Ok, so I am starting another H110 vs W296 thread. 2 Accurate No. Therefore do not follow internet experts advice based mostly on opinion and no hard data which the manufacturer/distributor does have and provides on the website. Changing the powder to H110 results in identical loading data across the range. One load will list a larger charge than the other but shows lower pressure and velocity. I would imagine the reason the OP is getting extreme spread of 147 fps, etc. Using bullets from Hornady XTP, Nosler JFP, LSWC, Sierra JHC, Nosler Part. 97% of that (minimum charge) would be 16.5 grains. The last time I chrono'd that load, it barely made 1100fps. There is an assumption with all SAAMI certified labs (which Hornady subscribes to) and that is .... no loads will be published that exceed SAAMI limits unless they are specifically identified. There was a time when 296 and H110 were different. Hodgdon lists the Max as 16.7gr H110 under a 158gr jacketed bullet. All normal loads are in "white" and maximum loads are in red. Here's their data: Nosler 357 Mag 158gr JHP W-296 min 13.8gr, max 14.8 gr; H-110 14.9 min, 15.9 max Speer 357 Mag 158gr JHP W-296 min 13.2 gr, max 14.7 gr; H-110 13.9gr min, 15.5gr max Hornady 357 Mag 158gr JHP I'm new to reloading for .357 Magnum, and I just want to take a sanity check on what I've done before I pull the trigger on some handloads that I made tonight. Any recommendation to the contrary is WRONG. Well that is what we are talking about so I do not understand you post?? 9 Accurate Solo 1000 Accurate TCM Alliant Powder 2400 Alliant Powder 300-MP Alliant Powder BE-86 Alliant Powder Blue Dot Alliant Powder Bullseye Alliant Powder Power Pistol Alliant Powder Sport Pistol Alliant Powder Unique Hodgdon 700-X Hodgdon CFE Pistol Hodgdon Clays Hodgdon H110 Hodgdon … Velocity was in the 1200 to 1300 range. Contact Form 7 or GravityForms plugin is required! I am considering using it again with a higher powder charge. 20.9 gr. When I first bought QuickLOAD, I found it included properties for many different powders. I found the OP's chronograph data interesting as it verifies at 15 grains H110. I experienced this in a 357 Magnum revolver and 125 gr bullets. Hadn't had alot of luck (accuracy) with it on heavy cast stuff. Right on the label it lists 13.5 grains behind a 180 gr Nos bullet for 1396FPS. rmc, I was wrong about the date ... it was 1993 ... not 1995 when SAAMI changed to the lower pressure standard. JavaScript is disabled. Measuring pressure in CUPS is the old way and has been replaced by PSI, but you still see CUPS in much of the load data. This is not news. https://www.gd-ots.com/propellant-and-propulsion/st-marks-powder-propellants/, Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I got called on this on another forum when I posted some loads I had tried in my Rossi 92 in 357. I guess you can call me the cheap benchrest shooter. Bullet Type Primer. This site uses cookies to improve your experience. Reloading Questions; About. I was under the impression that these were the same powder. 5 Accurate No. 11 FS Accurate No. I always thought H-110 and W-296 were the same powders and this concept was reinforced by countless gun forum sources. Powder ALL Accurate 4100 Accurate No. Can't remember the brand, but he says they go for $1300+ish. This load in a 5-1/2″ Ruger New Model Flat-Top clocks out at 1,333 fps. 357 Magnum - 200 gr cast LRN load data??? Reloading The .357 Magnum Left to right:-- 160 gr. +40 Sorry for not elaborating, buddy has a 6" .357. Using the advice provided by you fine gentlemen I will try some more this weekend loaded at 16gn and 16.2gn with a slightly firmer grip and see what I can get out of them.
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